(Strict teachers are here to threaten Radio Star.)
(They try to reveal their wealth as soon as they get here.)
(Let's equally attack them.)
(Kim Tae Won, the unexpectedly strict grandma)
(Summoning Kang Susie,)
(Yoon Sang smoothly tries to hunt everyone.)
(Does love bloom even in the jungle?)
(Jo Hyun Ah, the happy tiger who's always excited and friendly)
(IU? Blackpink?)
(Zico doesn't get affected by this level of attacks.)
(MCs with 11 years of experience versus strict teachers)
("You Are Students, and We Are Teachers" begins now.)
People think I'm lying when I say I'm strong.
I'd love to say this to people who pretend to be tough in front of me.
Your fist is not strong, but mine is strong as a nuclear bomb.
(Punching in the air)
Are you poking them with your pinky?
- He always does that. - If I make my fist too firm,
everyone will pass out.
(He is lying.)
You might think Gu Ra is not nice to me.
However, in the waiting room, he even kneels down in front of me.
He even massages my body. He can't even look at my eyes.
You can look at them now. We are now filming.
(Smiling)
Look at that. He can't even look at me.
Gu Ra, you are younger than me! I'm your older brother.
Right. You were born in 1969.
I kissed Dong Hyun on his cheek the other day on some other show.
He hated it so much. I guess he thinks he's a grown up now.
But what can I do?
I like you, and I love you.
You are my son, and I'm your dad.
Just stick to the script. Why are you so bad at it?
You have to do it like this. "I'm your teacher."
You have to make it sound like Kim Ha Neul.
- Let's take a look at Tae Hyun. - Let's look at the actor.
Since I look young, kids in my neighborhood say,
"That's Cha Tae Hyun!"
You guys are little kids, and I'm a father of three kids!
He's not that good.
We want to show you what fun is.
We are like the bible of variety shows.
You are watching a high-end music program, Radio Star!
Today, we invited four teachers in the music industry.
- They always teach us... - Be good and nice.
to be good and nice.
"You Are Students, and We Are Teachers"...
- begins now! - They are producers.
He produced the music for...
Kang Susie, BoA, IU, and Lovelyz.
He's a musician and a producer that the best singers have been picked.
Lately, he was even chosen by the government and went to...
- North Korea. - That's amazing.
Yoon Sang, the strict music teacher!
- Welcome. - Hi, Yoon Sang.
- He came from North Korea. - Yes, he was there recently.
We were wondering where he could use his weak physical ability.
That actually made him famous in variety shows for a while.
Looks like he was doing nothing, but he comes back with his band often.
He is Kim Tae Won of Boohwal!
(Smiling like a grandma)
"Are you here alone?"
He produced Wanna One's "Kangaroo"...
with full of his soul.
He even made the winner of "Show Me the Money 6".
He's the trendiest producer these days.
He rules music charts. He's Zico!
(Zico rules music charts!)
(Music charts)
I like that.
I don't know if it's because of you or me.
But her name's trending here and there at times.
She was also once a judge.
Even though a lot of you didn't know about it.
She was the judge of "The Unit".
She's Urban Zakapa's vocalist,
- Jo Hyun Ah! - Welcome.
Jo Hyun Ah is here.
- Welcome. - Hi.
- Thanks for coming. - Hello.
- Hi! - Nice to see you all.
Come in.
You are the one who needs to be taken care of the most.
Why are you taking care of others?
- Tae Won. - Tae Won...
You need others' help.
Yoon Sang,
we've seen you a lot on the news these days.
Hi. It's been nine years...
- since I was on Radio Star. - That's right.
He tried to avoid it many times because of Jong Shin.
- What are you talking about? - He told me everything.
I've known that.
It's been a while.
I'm a singer-songwriter, Yoon Sang.
It really has been a while since he was here.
- He came from North Korea. - That's right.
- The musician from North Korea. - Kim Tae Won, it's your turn.
I'm Kim Tae Won. I've been playing guitar in Boohwal for 33 years.
- Thank you. - That's amazing.
- It was from 1985. - 1985!
Zico?
Hello.
I'm Zico, and music is my favorite thing.
- He's Zico of Block B. - Goodness.
How about you, Jo Hyun Ah?
I'm the female vocalist of Urban Zakapa.
I just made my debut as a solo singer in May too.
Nice to meet you.
Urban Zapaka?
It's Urban Zakapa.
You've heard of them, haven't you?
Isn't their album included in the best 100 albums?
- What? - The best 100 albums?
The best 100 albums...
Am I wrong?
I don't actually know about that.
- There's a lot of lists like that. - Every magazine picks those.
Which magazine did you read that from?
- Boohwal's always part of those. - Is that why?
So you saw their name on the list that has Boohwal's name.
It means the name of his band is included in those lists.
Is your album not picked?
I found out two of them were.
- You've released a lot of albums. - Right.
It should be there.
Yoon Sang did something big this year.
He went to North Korea as the musical director of...
- the performance in Pyongyang. - That's amazing.
You thought it was voice phishing when you first got the phone call.
You must have been surprised.
Well,
they didn't contact me directly at first.
The CEO of my company got the urgent call.
He didn't even know how to tell me about it at first.
- "The government wants you." - He said BH was looking for you.
- That's right. - The government...
"The government is looking for you."
BH stands for Blue House.
- Oh, is it? - Right...
Was that directly from Blue House? How about the ministry of culture?
It's from Blue House.
It was from the administrative office of Blue House.
That sounds like something you would think as voice phishing.
He wasn't even sure about the phone call.
We were all suspicious about it.
Anyway, the next day,
the administrator who called us visited our office.
He explained things in detail.
Since we didn't have much time...
- That's right. - It happened in no time.
The performance was planned to happen...
in 15 days after our meeting on that day.
It was difficult for me to have any negotiation...
or even have time to consider to take that job.
If you refuse to accept that kind of offer,
do they drag you to Namsan or somewhere like that?
- It's just a joke. - Well,
Namsam is just a place for jogging these days.
Well,
I was more worried about if I was good enough to take that job.
Even though you accept to do it, not everyone will be satisfied.
- I didn't want to make any mistake. - I know what you mean.
It would've been fun if it really was voice phishing.
"This is Blue House."
"Can you go in front of a cash machine right now?"
By the way,
did they also consider Kim Hyung Suk...
with you?
I don't know every detail.
However, later I heard...
Kim Hyung Suk recommended me.
Didn't he try to take the credit for that?
(Laughing)
- He's not like that anymore. - Really?
- He has changed! - Not like in the past,
he's very humble.
- He's changed. - Wow,
that's a big change.
I think you did a great job. I'm glad you didn't turn it down.
- It was amazing. - That was a big job.
Yoon Sang is...
I'm sorry to interrupt you guys. He is...
(He is...)
You can go on.
- Did you forget your words? - He did.
- Goodness. - It happens.
I see what you were trying to do.
So...
what was the process like for those 15 days?
- From choosing artists... - When I first talked to them,
they didn't even know when and where it'll happen, and who will perform.
- I see. - 15 days were all we got to plan.
So they created one band.
And they thought that musicians with various genres...
needed to harmonize with that band.
And they thought I could be someone to make them communicate well.
That's why I heard from them.
How did you get there? Did you go there by car?
- We used a flight. - Oh, really?
We arrived in Sunan Airport.
I think they considered to get there by land too.
- That could have been amazing. - I think so.
- Did you cross China? - No.
- So you went through North Korea. - That made me really emotional.
Usually, we had to cross China or Russia to get to North Korea.
Or it was always by land.
But this time, it wasn't even from Incheon Airport.
We departed from Gimpo Airport and arrived in Sunan Airport.
- Was it a direct flight? - Yes, it was.
It took less than an hour.
We are that close.
I know, that's really...
I got really emotional.
I do believe things will go fine.
It went well already.
What are you talking about?
- What are you trying to say? - It went well already.
- He did a great job. - I'm talking about...
- the future. - Oh, the future?
You mean the relationship between South and North?
Sang, I heard you checked the back of the audience...
to see if they like the performance or not.
- What does that mean? - That's...
Well,
I was looking at the stage from the very back of the seats.
Since I was at the back,
I couldn't see the face of the audience.
But I could see the singers' faces revealing the audience's expression.
So I could tell there was nothing going wrong.
- They don't move much, right? - When Red Velvet was performing,
Not at all. They move just a little bit...
at times.
They didn't move their entire bodies or anything.
So I had to see the singers' faces.
Then I could find out if the audience are happy...
to see the performance. I could feel it.
So I realized the audience liked the performance.
Is it his special episode today?
- No, it's... - Look,
that was only two questions. Why are you so impatient?
We prepared three questions for him at the beginning of the show.
Sorry, I just woke up.
Tae Won, if you want, you can sleep five more minutes.
(The first TV program that suggests the guest to fall asleep.)
What I found really impressive on the news was...
He's my friends, you know.
Watching you walking with Hyon Song Wol was amazing.
What was she like in person?
What was your first impression about her when you met her at Panmunjom?
I heard she has great charisma.
- Even from her facial expression... - To decide where and when...
to hold the performance,
we met at Panmunjom.
That's when I was nervous the most.
I wasn't sure what kind of things we were going to talk about.
But not like my expectation, she was a very cheerful person.
I think she got special education for music when we was young.
- To become a musician. - Yes.
When we had the after party, she played the piano.
It looks like she has no musical instruments she can't play.
As a leader of the symphony orchestra, she has a big charisma.
I had to admit that she's really talented.
Don't you teach university students these days?
- Yes, I do. - Students of applied music.
Aren't you the dean of the department?
- Is he? - Yes, he is.
- He's the dean. - Goodness.
He's the director and the dean.
- He's the leader of everything. - Amazing.
Hyun Ah, when you were here last time,
you were suffering because of the person with the same name.
It was about the peanut on the flight incident.
- Oh, you have the same name. - Yes.
But this time, your name was trending.
- Yes, it was. - So I thought,
"She does ballad music,"
"but her life is full of rock and roll."
But she does ballad music.
Why were you trending this time?
It's because of...
- Feel free to tell us. - It was because of a picture.
It's just a picture...
that I was hanging out with someone.
Well,
the person who put up the picture...
left a caption under it,
saying, "We played "King" in our underwear."
- Is that what it was? - Yes.
That was the caption.
To be frank,
I wanted to say it wasn't anything promiscuous.
- That's what I want. - I see.
He was wearing pants.
- Shorts? - Yes, it was.
It was the house owner's shorts.
And "King" is...
not the game I like to play anyway.
We didn't play it.
(You don't have to tell us everything.)
- Was there a rumor? - However,
You are telling us a lot of information in detail.
You were wearing shorts, and you were not playing "King".
I didn't play that.
- I... - What game was it?
- It wasn't a game. - It wasn't a game.
He was trying to steal something from me.
Can we not play games wearing shorts?
I mean, I didn't say playing games wearing shorts is...
- That's not it. - We didn't play any games.
You didn't even play "3, 6, 9"?
We didn't play that game either.
- You must've been stressed a lot. - And...
If there's anyone who felt uncomfortable because of me,
I would like to apologize.
And the other person in that picture got really hurt too.
He's really young too.
That's how you grow up. Your music will be developed too.
Thank you for saying that.
I hope so too.
Do you wear shorts often?
I never...
You just showed us something amazing.
It just went around like...
It looked like she was stopping her mouth moving.
That's such a talent.
You can only see those in magic shows.
That was so natural.
She eats iron.
(It's what she does at last.)
Is that why...
you don't go out these days?
From when that happened,
I started to avoid going out.
- You usually like going out. - Normally, yes.
I occasionally go out.
Like twice a week.
But I don't do that these days.
Are you only home these days?
You don't have to do that.
Do you really stay home for seven days a week?
I heard you are into meditation these days.
- Staying inside is not bad. - Yes, I am.
- In my opinion, it's fine. - But...
What kind of position do you make when you meditate?
I don't want you to get stagnant when you try to meditate.
Don't let it confine you.
That's why I lie down when I meditate.
Are you sure you're not just sleeping?
- You're not taking a nap? - Excuse me.
- That's not meditating. - No, no.
I can't believe her.
- Gosh. - Have you fallen asleep or not?
When I... I went to sleep after I finished meditating.
After I finished meditating.
- How do you distinguish the two? - You might snore from the start.
(From the beginning of her meditation)
She might claim to have meditated when she snored.
- When you meditate, - She could've done that.
you're supposed to keep your posture in order to sort out your thoughts.
I lie down straight.
- You do? - Yes.
- This... - With your eyes open?
No, I close my eyes.
Isn't this how you look after you meditate?
- Seriously? - I do that pose too though.
I do that pose too.
- Really? - Yes.
- Something is off. - She does this pose too.
- Something is fishy. - No, listen.
She could meditate in this position too.
I could... I could do that.
- Some do this pose too. - I do that pose because...
You go like this too, right?
Back in the days, my friend...
He was going to doze off during class in high school.
He thought of a brilliant idea.
He was sleeping like this at the corner.
When his teacher called him...
- When his teacher called his name, - Was he meditating?
he would wake up...
and pretend to pick up an eraser.
(He acted quickly.)
He'd do this.
Everyone, when you lie down straight,
you would store energy from bottom to top.
You would inhale and exhale.
After you go through this process,
- in order to relax your body... - Relax.
completely, you must lie down on your side.
How is that different from sleeping?
Don't you get a jolt out of sleep when you're meditating?
(She's actually sleeping in real life.)
This thought crossed my mind all of a sudden today.
Are you trying to copy Kim Hee Ae today?
(She resembles Hee Ae.)
- No, I'm not. - Don't...
Don't her outfit and hair resemble Hee Ae's?
(This is a big compliment.)
Tae Won, you said that you're worried because...
you hadn't been getting calls for 10 years during the interview.
You hadn't been getting calls for 10 years?
No, I hadn't.
Tae Won, why are you holding them like that?
These are multifocal lenses.
- You're adjusting the lenses? - I must lift them to see you.
(Seeing someone's face is a hard task for him.)
In other words, you're worried that people might not want you.
I'm really lonely.
- You should know. - Yes, I know.
He's married now.
You got married?
He got married.
I didn't get a wedding invitation.
- They didn't have a wedding. - We didn't hold a wedding.
- Right. - Gosh, that's beautiful. Seriously.
- That was sudden. Really? - Yes.
That came out of nowhere.
- Do you call people then? - He does.
- I don't. - You don't call either?
- He doesn't call people. - What's your phone plan?
(He's suddenly curious.)
I think you'll be fine with the cheapest plan.
(This man of nature is far from this secular world.)
People like him use the 100-dollar plan. The most expensive one.
- The one with unlimited data. - That's a scam.
Your friend is saying that he's lonely.
- A peer from your times is lonely. - All of a sudden...
That's all you got?
(We welcome your call anytime.)
Actually, a long time ago,
Tae Won talked about being possessed by aliens.
He discussed such topics back then.
- Aliens? - He was possessed by aliens?
What if he goes to their planet?
- He said... - This hasn't changed.
Yes, it's the same.
(What does Earth mean to you, Tae Won?)
(Tae Won claimed that he was an alien.)
(It's a bee, but a UFO too.)
Lately, you took up a new hobby which is astral projection.
Have you had an out-of-body experience?
- An out-of-body experience? - Yes.
I've been experimenting.
- You've been experimenting? How? - How?
(Trailing off)
This is a weird story.
- That's all right. - Tell us.
All your stories are weird.
All of your stories are weird.
- Astral projection... - If your spirit leaves your body,
you can see yourself.
- Right? - That's right.
Your spirit is inside your body, right?
I get the feeling it's not the same person I knew before.
I was wondering if you're somewhere over there.
Is it you right now?
- It's you, right? - It's okay as long as it is.
Tell us about this story.
- What kind of experiments are they? - Well...
- You know the matchbox? - Yes.
Say that you have a matchbox.
You have to pull out the box for you to get the matches.
- That's right. - Right.
That's how my spirit leaves my body.
It leaves your body? I see.
Is this out-of-body experience willful or not?
- It's just a phenomenon, right? - No, no.
- You must make an effort. - No.
If I set my mind to it, it happens.
(He can freely control it.)
- Really? - Yes.
- What happens after that? - Then...
I...
I have a habit of sleeping with the classical music on.
When my spirit leaves my body,
first of all, the echo of the music...
gets amplified.
(No way.)
After that, I'm sitting down next to my body.
You can see your body?
Then I look at myself.
I see myself sleeping.
That means that I have left my body.
(He witnesses his own body.)
I only succeeded up to this stage.
(I see.)
I've never left my room though.
You can't. If you do, you'll die.
- Who... Who says so? - You'll really die if you go out.
Your story sounds exactly like the one from the cartoons.
You're copying it word for word.
- How do you go back inside? - He can just go back in.
When I want to sleep soundly,
I can go back in.
- Really? Like this? - Just like the matchbox closes.
If your body is right here,
is this how you go back in?
Or do you slide through? There must be many methods.
Is it that important?
Can you show us?
- I'm really glad to meet them. - Okay.
I can't leave my body.
(I can't leave my body.)
This is what Yoon Sang said.
He decided to join today because of Zico.
- He must really care for Zico. - Let me explain.
- He asked who else was starring. - We've never met before today.
Just like I mentioned earlier,
I was very surprised at his talent.
I thought if we met today,
I would be able to say that I know Zico.
- At professional capacity. - I heard a lot from other people...
that Yoon Sang talked about me.
- I heard it from Jun Ha too. - Really?
That's why I wanted to thank him if I ever got to...
- meet him. - Despite knowing...
Yoon Sang's affection towards you, you still like Tae Won more.
Well, anyway, ever since I was in middle school,
- I listened to Boohwal's songs. - Boohwal.
- I grew listening to those songs. - Really?
I was greatly influenced by the sentiment of the songs.
- That's what I talked about. - That's what you meant.
- How did Yoon Sang influence you? - Every artist influenced me.
(He asks a sudden question.)
Recently, I know that...
he produced girl groups.
- The girl groups inspired you. - Yes, so...
Thank you.
Despite these fast-changing times,
he hasn't let go of the current.
He keeps studying the times and interpreting it in his own way.
That's why I think he's great.
I bet the staff of Radio Star...
didn't know that this question would lead to such a nice answer.
I heard that Zico is preparing to come back as a solo artist...
and to hold his first solo concert.
Yes, I am.
You're working with IU?
Even before I made my debut as a singer,
I participated in her song,
"Marshmallow" in the rap session.
- Aren't you about the same age? - They're a year apart.
- They're 1 year apart. - I'm 1 year older than she is.
We had only exchanged greetings for a long time.
We tried to get together and work on a song together,
- So you did it this time? - but the schedule didn't work out.
We couldn't do it.
- She just finished the drama. - I was given a great opportunity.
That's how our joint project came about.
As a matter of fact, was it last summer?
- I saw the live performance... - Okay.
- of Zico and Crush on TV. - Right.
When I saw the performance, I was shocked.
I realized it that their talents were beyond my imagination.
When I met IU last year,
I told her that the live performance of...
Zico and Crush was phenomenal once.
- Zico is good. He's really good. - She said that she was a fan.
- Don't you live in the same area? - Right, right.
She mentioned that she and he would work on a project together.
- I'm happy that it worked out. - That's great.
Your joint project is garnering attention,
but all of your activities are on everyone's lips.
- Really? - That's why you get...
- many offers for joint projects. - Right, right.
You also receive a lot of requests to produce other singers.
You have a secret tip on how to decline offers.
No, no.
If you say it like this,
people might think I decline...
- a lot of offers. No, I don't. - But you do.
He might not want to work on some of the projects.
It's not that I don't want to.
- When I'm not confident, - When you're not confident.
I tell them an honest reason when I turn them down.
Tell us.
- I call and say I can't work on it. - You tell them you can't do it?
I tell them I don't know how I should...
- You're not sure. - approach the project.
Anyway, I work hard when I feature in a song.
During those brief measures,
I have to infuse myself as a rapper into the song...
to work with the singer.
That's why when I think that it won't work out...
or that I can't do a good job, I just call them.
- Jong Shin... - You didn't say that to me.
- Pardon? - You didn't call me.
Why didn't you answer Hyun Ah's call?
Didn't you mention that the last time you were on our show?
After that, he went off the grid.
Then we met at an award ceremony at the end of the year.
I asked him why he went off the grid.
He was cheerful and brazen.
I sent him a lot of text messages too.
I sent messages like, "What's up, man?" on purpose.
I wanted him to reply without feeling pressured.
Just the message makes me uncomfortable.
No, at that time...
- "Want to work together, man?" - My gosh.
- Gosh, that's uncomfortable. - That's adding more pressure.
It's not that I didn't want to work with her.
At that time, I had a lot of things going on.
It was around the same time with the award ceremonies, the TV shows,
- and preparations for my album. - He's very...
- He's very famous. - That's why I couldn't.
- I'm serious. - Yet, you're working with IU.
- That's different. - All right.
- That's for my song. - Okay.
By the way, Tae Won,
in order to star on Radio Star, you asked Gu Ra to help you?
I wouldn't go that far. He just mentioned it to me.
He said that it'd be nice to star on Radio Star after a long hiatus.
I told him that I'd talk to the writers. That's it.
They said you didn't mention it.
No, I did. I told them.
I told them about you, so don't let it upset you.
- I think you just told them. No? - No. I did.
I feel better after I tell the writers too.
I can't cause an accident while relaying the message, can I?
- When I relay the message... - There's this tone that he does.
With that tone, he sounds desperate.
I do that for some people.
- Sometimes, he just passes it on. - No.
"Tae Won wants to join us." And he'd leave.
Let me explain. When I relayed the message,
I realized that this was a futile attempt.
I knew it.
Besides, inviting guests falls under the staff's jurisdiction.
I found out the true colors. I found Kim Gu Ra's true colors.
In my defense, a while ago, even Yoo Hyun Sang...
called me and said, "Gu Ra,"
"I released a song called, 'Reins'."
"Hey, my song is dope."
- And he said... - He's the middle man of Radio Star.
No, listen. Hyun Sang, I'm sorry,
but it got lost in the delivery. I didn't relay your message.
Hyun Sang, I didn't mention your song.
(The song didn't make it after his personal screening.)
You can think of me as...
Think of me as a pigeon.
(Pigeon)
- He delivers letters. - You're too chubby for a pigeon.
(Looking chubby)
Tae Won, you decided to join us today...
- in order to promote your new song. - Really?
- "Flower". - "Flower".
- I wrote this song in Nepal. Yes. - Really? I see.
In Nepal, two boys...
approached me when I was playing the guitar poorly.
I gave them my guitar as a present.
And I also signed the guitar on the back.
I wrote that...
they would be superstars someday and gave them the guitar.
I wrote my lyrics for the song...
- based on that story. - That's the story.
When did you write the song?
It took me about a year and a half.
When was it released?
It came out in February.
You want to promote the song you released in February now?
I've been calling that guy ever since then.
I relayed the message.
- As if. - I did.
- They don't receive every message. - What is that? A trotter?
A trotter?
(Tae Won is blurting out nonsense.)
- No, listen. - You deliver trotters after 12pm.
- Here's the thing. - The delivery is late.
You were inspired in December.
What do you mean it took you a year and a half?
Here's the thing about lyrics.
- Lyrics are hard. - You wrote them beforehand.
You wrote the lyrics beforehand. You were inspired about the melody.
No, when something happens while writing the lyrics...
- A good event. - Right.
When a good event happens, it gets added on to the lyrics.
That's why. I see.
Writing songs in one sitting is a lie.
That's not possible.
But back in the days, you told me you wrote them in 5 or 30 minutes.
- That's a lie. - Is that a lie?
- That's possible for melodies. - Right, it's possible.
I might have such suspicions.
When we played pool together, he used to brag like this.
When we played pool together,
he carried around a recorder.
- A lot of us do. For melodies. - It looked like he was having fun.
He used to do this.
When I asked what he was doing, he said he was inspired.
After that, he'd continue playing pool.
He told me that it didn't take long to write some songs.
I heard that a lot too. You said it didn't take long.
What should I do?
You just contradicted yourself, right?
(Chuckling)
- And... - You picked up a new habit.
- Like what? - You didn't do this before.
(This mysterious hand gesture was spotted a lot today.)
Aren't I sharp?
Yes.
I don't think you did this back in the days.
- I don't want to show you my smile. - Has he changed a lot?
He never laughed like this before.
After I turned 50,
- I keep crying. - That happens.
I really didn't want my wife to see me...
- You didn't want her to see you. - when I was crying.
But you can't still cover it up.
If I stay like this,
- It would cover it. - I can do this at least.
- That became a habit. - This happens.
- That's a sad habit in a sense. - Gosh, this can't cover it.
(Did he transform his sadness into his signature pose?)
Recently, Zico set a new standard for college festivals.
- Well, he is quite popular. - Right.
At the festival, this is what he said.
"When I go around to perform,"
"you guys can be the waves."
"I'll bring a ship."
- You're a poet. - Right.
Aren't you suffering from Artist Syndrome?
(You must be suffering from Artist Syndrome.)
- Yonsei and Korea University. - I was at Yonsei University...
which meant blue was the school color.
It really felt like I was at the ocean.
Since I was singing "Turtle Ship", I thought of those lines...
and how it'd be neat to say them.
Did the audience become the wave?
It was the most beautiful wave I had ever seen.
Sang, do you prepare lines like these when you hold your concert?
You might have guessed from watching me, but I'm usually quiet.
- Things are usually tranquil. - I see. Tranquil.
I think we should add this phrase.
The guy who visited North Korea.
- I mean... - It would kill the mood even more.
Do you say any lines to encourage the audience to cheer?
I haven't thought about that.
"Let's move onto the next song."
Come on, be serious.
Among all the lines I heard you say...
How about "What a great song"? Isn't it good?
- No. - "Let's move onto the next song."
"Let's move onto the next song."
You are watching a high-end music program, Radio Star...
with four guests who can be calm and passionate star-makers.
During the preliminary interview,
the staff asked Hyun Ah about the royalties.
She said that she didn't make much compared to other guests.
- That's what you said. - You make up in other areas.
- First of all, he... - How much do you get?
(He's curious about her royalties.)
Should she say the number?
- Zico makes tons of money too. - I'm definitely certain that...
two of them make a lot of money with royalties.
- Well, we... - Zico...
- I'm not sure about that. - I'm not sure.
Why don't you write down the numbers on the paper?
- Okay? - I don't make a lot...
- because I debuted a long time ago. - That's right.
How much money do you make in a month?
- Why would you ask that? - It varies every month.
- Sometimes... All of a sudden, - You'd make a lot.
I think if I might've done something wrong.
- At times, I'd lose 50 percent. - It'd go down.
If I'm working hard and have a busy schedule,
- it would go up a bit. - The thing is that...
the public think about how often they sing...
- Tae Won's "Never Ending Story"... - Right.
- and Sang's "Run". - "Run".
They might think that you would make a lot of money from that.
When you make a lot of royalties...
- It's just temporary. - That's right. It is.
It's the same with us. The fees we get for reruns.
- When I'm on many shows... - Gu Ra gets the most money for it.
I'm on a lot of shows.
- But they don't run the old shows. - Gu Ra and Shin Dong Yeob.
- I must be constantly on shows. - That's right.
Hyun Ah, you said your royalties are modest compared to these guests.
How many songs are listed under your name?
I don't know the exact number of songs.
- I think it must be around 50. - 50 songs.
Then you must be able to get by.
Yes.
Isn't it enough to pay for the car installment?
- Well... I do think so. - I see.
It might be more because...
- Her hit songs are recent? - "Walking Alone..."
- It's "Alone". Yes. - "Alone"?
I remember that the song did very well.
- Are you checking other singers? - It's not that.
No, listen.
After I started writing songs for idol singers,
I do pay attention to the charts.
If I don't, I'm not studying the current of the times.
You write songs for idol singers?
- Yes, yes. - Not by myself though.
I work with Spacecowboy...
- as a group named 1Piece. - I envy you.
- It's not that same nowadays. - I heard...
Tae Won listed about 250 songs.
- Yes. - Is that so?
- That's a lot. - Sang, what about you?
- I listed about 400 songs. - 400 songs?
Zico, what about you? How many of your songs are listed?
Lately, he's been...
I think only recently, the number reached 100.
Don't you get a big royalty?
- To be honest... - Last year must've been the best.
I hit the record two years ago.
- How much was that? - Come on, Tae Won.
- You two are in the same boat. - But not anymore.
Didn't you list about 600 songs?
- I'm shy of 500 songs. - Right.
What's important is that...
people must recognize those songs.
I'm the most curious about how much Jong Shin's royalty is.
Then why don't we all share it out in the open?
I'll tell you my fee for the reruns. Tell me about your royalty.
No, don't tell me that.
I can somewhat guess how much it must be.
(He's not falling for it.)
Hyun Ah, you pretend to listen to other people's problems,
but you're actually trying to get inspired. You have many methods.
- Yes, yes. - Your lyrics are about that, right?
- There are tons. Don't you do that? - Right.
I'd do this while saying "That's right. When that happens..."
- I do that too. - There are times...
when we come up with great lines.
- That's true. - We have to write them down then.
- That's true. - That's how you write your lyrics.
That's how you guys work.
But the lyrics would be under Zico's name.
- They wouldn't know anyway. - That's too mean.
Tell us about the time you used the emails from your ex-boyfriend.
I couldn't write lyrics for this particular song.
I was looking for inspirations and ended up reading the emails.
- I found those old emails... - Those long, tedious stories.
and read every single email. And one email caught my eyes.
I wrote the song after reading the email.
The song is "If You Still Love Me".
In the lyrics, the speaker is asking the guy to come back.
That's not my intention. The email was the farewell letter.
After reading the farewell letter,
I thought what if I still liked him.
- I thought about that possibility. - He emailed you the letter?
- Things happened that way. - That's sad.
(Feeling sad)
During the preliminary interview,
Tae Won said that he only gives songs to people who are dying.
But recently, you gave a song to No Sa Youn.
She's healthy.
(She's very healthy.)
A lot of female singers want to get a song from Tae Won.
His songs are great.
- 10 years ago, - Okay.
Sa Youn asked me to write a song for her.
- I see. - I couldn't keep my promise...
because I wasn't well back then.
You got to keep your promise this time?
It was 2 years ago. I gave her the song 2 years ago.
I said, "Dude". Wait, no.
- She's a close friend anyway. - That's all right.
That's all right. I'm sure she doesn't mind.
- Sa Youn. - You got your point across.
- No Sa Bong... - She runs a barbecue joint.
- I went there. - You met at the restaurant.
Your teeth aren't good though. What did you eat there?
- Did you have beef tartare? - I just had radish water kimchi.
Radish water kimchi? Seriously?
- That's delicious. - That's not what's important here.
I gave her the music sheet for the song.
When I did, she asked...
how much my song cost.
- It must be expensive. - I told her that I set the price.
But I told her that it was my gift to her.
- You told her that? - Yes.
When Sa Youn was recording the song,
I didn't go to the recording studio once.
You wanted her to interpret the song on her own.
She doesn't need direction.
I didn't think I should go.
- The song title is "Beginning". - "Beginning".
- "Beginning". - "Beginning".
- She sings the song often. - "Beginning".
A month after it was released,
the music video got over one million views.
You and Sa Youn work well together.
How would you like her as a lead singer of Boohwal?
(Flustered)
- My goodness. - That's a good idea.
She has long hair.
She will be a visiting singer.
She can work with Dong Myung.
- She has a powerful voice. - What do you think of that?
Dong Myung has to make it big first.
(He hasn't made it big yet.)
(I hope Boohwal's lead singer becomes successful.)
Hyun Ah, you are an impressive vocalist now,
but you couldn't hit high notes or use vibrations in the past.
What did you practice?
I practiced hitting high notes and using vibrations.
How did you do that?
Firstly,
to hit high notes...
Was it an homage to Tae Won?
- Was it? - No.
It was the perfect answer.
"I practiced hitting high notes and using vibrations."
It was the right answer.
As for vibrations,
everyone else could use them in a natural way.
However, I found it hard.
(Singing)
That's how I practiced vibrations.
When I used abdominal respiration,
I held my breath.
(Singing)
I did this.
(She made the sound natural.)
I made the sound natural.
It reminds me of a vibrating belt...
at a fitness center.
- A vibrating belt. - You could use it for practice.
(I didn't know that.)
Is this the result of such practice?
(Is this the result of such practice?)
You must have learned...
to sing with your head,
- not your throat. - My goodness.
Who is this man?
- Who is he? - He is a band member.
- His name is Kwon Sun Il. - He grabbed my eyes.
He resembles Kim Hyung Jun, the ostrich egg.
He is cute.
- He is cute. - That's right.
Why did you put the microphone on your head?
The microphone can capture the sound that way.
It's captures the high pitch on the microphone.
- It captures the high pitch. - That's right.
- That's right. - Really?
A female singer...
with a heavy voice like mine...
can hold the microphone towards the head...
to capture the perfect sound.
Your low-pitched voice is charming.
When I want to use the low pitch,
I hold the microphone this way.
A lot of female singers don't have a low-pitched voice.
She is singing with her eyes.
The band members make fun of me.
They tell me not to do it during a concert...
- because it looks funny. - Most people do this.
- Most people do this. - You are right.
Don't you need a powerful voice in order to do that?
That's right. If the singer's voice is weak,
you won't hear anything if the microphone leaves the mouth.
That's right.
(Shall I sing with my eyes?)
Zico, you are a member of not only Block B,
- but also Fanxy Child. - Fanxy Child.
- Fanxy Child. - What is Fanxy Child?
- It's a crew. - A crew.
It's a crew of musicians.
Who are the members?
Penomeco, Crush,
- Dean, and Stay Tune. - Crush, Dean.
They are...
- the Korean hip hop musicians. - All the rappers have gathered.
There is also Millic.
Is this a company?
- It's not a record label. - I see.
- It's only a crew. - It's for get-togethers.
- Yes. - He should be careful.
In my point of view,
there is no one who can give the outside information...
because all the crew members are extremely successful.
However, I can't think of another crew at this level.
The members are incredible.
Would it be better to add someone like Sleepy?
A new member would need to have something in common with them.
Why don't you replace Dean with DinDin?
Don't speak nonsense.
A lot of articles were released that way.
- They replaced Dean with DinDin. - Yes.
"Zico, Crush, and DinDin make the perfect combination."
(Zico, Crush, and DinDin make the perfect combination.)
Even though you gathered to make music,
- you only talk about girl groups. - What?
I knew that the scriptwriter would do this.
Please be understanding...
because this is the extent of our capabilities.
We have nothing else to talk about.
It's one of many topics.
The members talk about what they are feeling.
Then the conversation goes...
to which girl groups have good songs and such.
Which girl group have you talked about recently?
(Well...)
He became starry-eyed.
(Is he looking at a UFO?)
Twice and Blackpink.
You are only giving us the most popular girl groups.
(My goodness.)
(This is how the MCs corner the guests.)
Everyone wants to hire you as a producer,
but there is an artist...
you really want to work with.
Blackpink.
I think I will be able to make something fun.
The group itself is...
hip and melodious.
I think we will be able to do a good job.
Radio Star has made him collaborate with someone before.
Everything you say on Radio Star comes true.
(Everything you say on Radio Star comes true.)
(What will happen this time?)
Yoon Sang, you have worked...
with Kang Susie, BoA, Girls' Generation, IU, and Lovelyz.
You have mostly worked with female singers.
I guess you refuse to work with men.
I extorted a song from him in 20 years.
- Do you only like female singers? - I have worked with groups...
and male singers, but female singers made it big.
Kang Susie's first two hit songs were unique...
- in the Korean music industry. - That's right.
Back then, I had a pressure to be different.
I love "Hades" by Kang Susie.
- "Hades". - Yes.
Thank you, but that song...
Did you compose that song?
Yes.
- Didn't you know? - No.
I love that song.
I love "Hades".
It's the only song she and I worked on...
that didn't rank in the top 10 on "Top 10 Songs".
- I love "Hades". - After that,
Kang Susie's agency stopped calling me.
(It breaks Gu Ra's heart.)
- "Hades". - When the song came out,
I worked as a VJ at a music program.
Did you work as a VJ? "What?"
Did you work as a VJ?
(This is how the Chihuahua couple looked 20 years ago.)
(Cute)
- There is nothing I haven't done. - You worked as a VJ.
I attended Kang Susie's radio interview...
one time.
She says, "It's beautiful. I love you."
She says those words often.
She tends to use those words naturally.
That night, I got drunk.
(He got drunk after he met Susie.)
"It was nice to meet you. It's already a good memory."
"I love you."
I sent the text with a smiling emoji.
When I read the text the next day,
I realized that she might think me strange.
- Ask her. - I doubt that.
Should I ask her right away?
(It's not a problem.)
- Ask her. - I doubt that.
She wouldn't have thought you strange.
She knew you were married.
- Did it happen years ago? - It happened years ago.
It happened years ago.
Did it happen before you got married?
He was married.
I was married.
Everyone knew that.
It was before Susie started to date Gook Jin.
You were married.
I was married.
(He keeps repeating himself.)
I am saying that...
Susie would have understood that...
- you weren't being strange. - She would have understood.
That's right.
(They feel faint from laughing.)
It's not a difficult concept.
Yoon Sang, you used to drink when you got stressed out.
You drank a lot back in the days.
Before you went to bed, you drank a glass of whiskey.
Because I drank every day,
my body couldn't keep up...
the next day.
You found a new hobby.
Zico, don't you know what this is?
These days...
- How strange! - My goodness.
- I will tell you what it is. - It looks like a calculator.
I will tell you what it is.
- You know what a vocoder is, right? - A vocoder.
This is a vocoder.
- It processes the voice. - That's right.
I will record my voice.
(Their attention is on the vocoder.)
You are watching a high-end music program, Radio Star.
- Now. - You spoke to it.
(It has been recorded.)
- Can you hear it? - Please play it one more time.
If I do this...
You are watching a high-end music program, Radio Star
- It adds a tune. - Yes.
How fascinating!
Let's record Zico's voice.
I wanted to try that.
Say something, Zico.
- It can be anything. - You can rap.
If you rap,
I will be able to save...
- Zico's voice. - That's interesting.
This is the microphone.
- You don't need music. - No.
Start.
Zico's first concert...
will take place at SK Olympic Handball Gymnasium.
Please give me your love and support.
This isn't what we wanted.
All right.
- This isn't what we wanted. - I think Sang wanted...
to record Zico's voice and use it for his songs.
This isn't what we wanted.
It was a bit different from what we wanted.
This isn't what we wanted.
- Let's still give it a try. - Since it's long,
I will do this.
(Zico's first concert)
(Incomprehensible)
(Please give me your love and support.)
Thankfully,
it's pretty incomprehensible.
- Really? - Please add subtitles.
(Radio Star follows the broadcasting regulations.)
How about this? Let's try, "Hello? What?"
- "Hello?" - It's a good idea.
- I want to hear that. - I want to hear that.
- Here. - Go ahead.
Hello? What?
Oh, my gosh.
Hold on. Let's try it again.
- Here. - Try it again.
Hold on.
Does it really work?
(He is skeptical.)
It has been recorded.
Let's change it up.
(My goodness.)
Here.
(Does it really work?)
Let me give you four words.
- Okay. - Will you give it a try?
I will give you four words.
Did you come alone?
(It's a line from a famous commercial.)
(Laughing)
- Harmony. - All right.
- I will add harmony. - "Did you come alone?"
Did you come alone?
(The sound...)
(inspires me.)
You should release a song titled "Did You Come Alone?"
Did you come alone?
("Did You Come Alone?" by Kim Tae Won)
(Laughing)
Now...
(The EDM version is impressive.)
- It's the EDM version. - Yes.
This is how I have fun.
It's interesting.
It looks like you studied this in the US.
The digital music.
I didn't study this,
but I studied the potentials this device has.
He didn't go to the US to study the vocoder.
- Seriously. - It's nice.
(There is always a dissonance in Radio Star.)
In "Star Audition: The Great Birth", Tae Won played a big role...
- as the national mentor figure. - That's right.
He discovered impressive artists...
such as Lee Tae Kwon and Baek Chung Kang.
For the second season of "Star Audition: The Great Birth",
Tae Won stepped down as the judge.
Yoon Sang took his place.
Tae Won, I heard that you were very disappointed.
I got fired.
I don't know why.
(Laughing)
No judge has appeared on the show for two consecutive seasons.
Tae Won dreamed of doing that.
I am sorry.
There is no need to be sorry.
I didn't know.
What did you do because you were disappointed?
What else could I have done?
- You were just disappointed. - Don't irritate him.
He wanted to keep going.
Why were you so fond of being the judge?
All my life, I felt alienated.
I felt alienated.
- I felt alienated. - You felt alienated.
You were in quarantine.
Quarantine?
What?
- Don't say that. - Gyeong Ree released a single.
That's right.
(Why are you bringing me into this?)
That's right.
There were contenders who felt alienated.
Since I have a bad eyesight,
I don't put an importance on looks.
When other people tried to shoot them down,
I stepped in to protect them.
(I stepped in to protect them.)
(Despite other mentors' objections,)
(he protected the contestants.)
(Most mentors think...)
(your voice is too common.)
(He can change his colors.)
I thought that narrative...
would give people strength.
Your approached the matter like...
"Saving Private Ryan".
In the third season, I saved Han Dong Geun.
Han Dong Geun.
- Han Dong Geun was on the show. - Yes.
I saved Han Dong Geun.
I see.
He saved a lot of people.
I still am.
Hyun Ah, you were the judge in "The Unit".
I see.
- "The Unit" didn't become a hit. - That's right.
The topic of "The Unit" depressed you,
but the topic of "Show Me the Money" excited you.
Since I put a lot of effort into "The Unit",
I can't laugh about it.
However, "Show Me the Money" is a show...
I watched reverently.
Before "The Unit" started,
I learned the way...
judges talk to the contestants.
Were there contestants you particularly liked?
My heart went out to the contestants...
who were around my age...
because I felt they were similar to me.
Since it was a reboot program,
all of the contestants had debuted already.
There were contestants who struggled.
- They shed tears. - That's right.
They struggled physically and psychologically.
My heart went out to those contestants.
- Did you watch it? - Yes.
- You watch a lot of programs. - A lot of contestants cried.
- Yes. - A lot of contestants cried.
He watches the programs on all channels.
Is there a program you don't watch?
(Is there a program you don't watch?)
"True Dad Confession".
(Gu Ra is the MC of "True Dad Confession".)
I bet he watches it.
(He adjusted to Radio Star.)
Hyun Ah, you cried along...
every time a contestant cried.
- You are sympathetic. - Who made you sympathetic?
Me?
To be honest,
everyone made me sympathetic.
There was a contestant who was around my age,
Yang Ji Won.
- Spica. - Yes.
Spica is still around.
That's right.
She works part-time to continue making music.
That's right.
- She was on "King of Mask Singer". - Really?
I saw it.
I had that thought very often last years.
It has been about 10 years since I debuted as a musician.
I wanted to start over. I wanted to reboot.
I had those thoughts...
when I met her on the show.
My heart went out to her.
I understand.
My heart went out to her.
However, I couldn't say...
kind words to her...
until the end of the show.
Didn't you become close to her?
Since we are similar in age...
"I am a teacher, but you are a student."
It wasn't like that.
You didn't want your advice to sound rude.
- I couldn't give her advice. - It's understandable.
I didn't get to say one word to her.
Despite his gentle image,
Sang used harsh words on "Star Audition: The Great Birth".
(My goodness.)
He placed last on the mentors' popularity poll.
Really?
He didn't think about his image.
Come to think of it, I really did place last.
It happens when you use harsh words.
Back then, I knew nothing about being on TV.
Did you exaggerate or did you do as you normally do?
I did as I normally...
You said what came to your mind.
- Yes. - You judged as everything is.
I didn't know...
how much I should filter my words.
I learned a lot.
Please give us an example of a criticism.
"The chance of improvement is at zero percent."
That's shocking.
He said a contestant won't improve.
"We aren't picking a dancer."
My goodness.
"I don't need to hear more. Get out."
"Get out."
- Really? - Why did you say these things?
- Yoon Sang. - They must have been upset.
Why did you do that?
Seriously.
What I want to tell you is this.
Some contestants are seriously unprepared.
In the preliminaries,
700 to 800 contestants are chosen.
I became angry.
"Is he here to play?"
- "Why isn't he serious?" - That's right.
That was why I asked him to leave.
What was the tone of your voice?
I don't remember.
"Get out."
I doubt he said it loudly.
I am sure I didn't shout.
"Get out."
(He uses a dialect.)
You know,
do you do the same when you work with Lovelyz?
How do you direct girl group members?
Directing is a completely different story.
- It is. - "Come on in."
You make criticism even when you direct the others.
Back in the days,
there wasn't an undo function.
Let me explain further. Even if a singer sang a song well,
it had to recorded over again...
if he or she messed up the last part.
These days, there is an undo function.
The artists became free.
When I composed songs in the early 90s,
I was really...
When I made Kang Susie's debut album,
a single mistake could cost...
thousands of dollars.
I tried my best to avoid criticism.
I went, "We need to finish this no matter what..."
"because your voice will change tomorrow."
Back then, the producers didn't give explanations.
- "Again." - "Again."
- I see. - These days,
you make the singers sing over and over again.
Then you say, "You can go now."
The rest of the work is done by editing.
Sometimes, you can combine...
the recordings of the same section...
- to make your voice sound thicker. - Yes.
Michael Jackson used that method a lot.
- Really? - That's when the producers...
came to a realization.
We had thought,
"A great singer like Michael Jackson would go home after the first try."
On the video,
we saw that he sings a song 20 times...
in one sitting.
It makes the sound solid.
A good singer...
keeps a distance from the microphone...
and sings 2, 3, or 4 times.
That makes the sound solid.
Gook Jin goes, "Hello? Hello? Hello?"
"Hello? Hello?"
If you combine them,
- it would go, "Hello?" - That's right.
"What? What? What?"
That's how it's done.
(What?)
I watched "Star Audition: The Great Birth".
I don't remember Tae Won saying anything harsh.
He never did, as far as I remember.
He left great quotes instead.
Regardless of the result, you're already a miracle.
Music is not invention.
It's discovery.
You discover something inside of yourself.
Therefore, I'm not going to teach you even though I'm your mentor.
I will simply help you guys...
bring out the best in yourselves.
- That's a great comment. - It's inspirational.
- Did I say that? - "Music is not invention."
However, I heard you were very strict...
- when you worked with singers. - You were...
- really hard on Lee Seung Chul. - He was so strict.
(We thought he was always warm.)
- In fact, when you record a song... - Yes.
- When recording a song... - As the music producers here...
including Jong Shin must know,
what the producer says to the singer...
can make cheer him up or break him.
Then please give us an example of both situations.
Okay. But I never cheered him up.
Then show us how you broke him.
When you need the stick.
How did you break him? We're just curious.
When I worked with Park Wan Kyu,
I told him to sing like a whale flying...
in the desert.
Did you intend to break him?
I can imagine a camel in the desert.
- A whale in the desert? - It's hard to understand.
Did he want something new?
What did you mean by "a whale flying in the desert"?
Some conductors...
move their arms like this making big moves.
Others conduct like this.
- No conductor does that. - Like this?
- They rub their belly like this? - They rub their body?
Like this?
- I've seen no conductor like that. - No conductor does that.
I described it in a wrong way.
- For example, Chung Myung Whun... - Chung Myung Whun.
can express everything without big moves.
Around the chest.
That's what I'm trying to say.
Just like a whale flying in the desert.
(His world of art is too profound to understand.)
When Yoo Hee Yeol recorded music in a studio for the first time,
the composer told him to play the keyboard...
like a lion roaring in Serengeti.
Hee Yeol couldn't understand what it meant. So he...
(Roaring)
- He really played like this. - No way.
It's true.
Gosh. Don't be ridiculous.
There's a rumor that he played like that.
- He... Do it again. - He had no idea what it meant.
(I am the lion in Serengeti!)
- Zico, how about you? - I think...
it depends on the singer I work with.
Some singers can give themselves directions.
I think I'll get a better result if I leave it to the singer.
If they have a lot of ideas, and their ideas are the same as mine,
I just let them do whatever they want...
- I see. - and record different versions...
- You edit it later. - Yes. I edit it later.
Which singers are like that? Can you think of anyone now?
- Singers like Crush and Dean. - Dean.
- They already have an idea... - How about Park Kyung?
- Park Kyung. - It's the same for Kyung.
- Kyung also... - What about Jae Hyo?
Jae Hyo... I...
- I help him. - He needs your assistance?
- I hosted a show with him in Busan. - I see.
- He likes to eat food. - That's right.
- He's good at fishing too. - Jae Hyo.
- I hope this part will be aired. - Sometimes...
- Please put his name on the screen. - Jae Hyo.
- Some producers like Gaeko... - Yes.
don't say much if they like how it turns out.
- That's it. - Yes.
- You're right. - Gaeko and Zico?
Those who have names with "ko" or "co" are popular these days.
Gaeko and Zico are popular.
Gaeko used to be the most popular.
They're popular.
All right.
Zico is strictest to his group members as a music producer.
- Just as he said before. - Have you ever hurt their feelings?
Their feelings were hurt when we just made our debut.
I simply wanted to make our songs better.
I gave them feedback in a straightforward manner.
And it made some of them upset.
But after two years passed, they understood me.
Now, they know that I don't mean to make them upset,
and that it's to give them explicit directions.
The reason I become the most meticulous...
when I produce Block B's song albums...
is because I've been...
working with my group members for the longest time.
I know their personalities and limits very well.
- Of course. - Yes. So...
if they don't seem to be doing their best...
when I know they can do better,
- I rather... Exactly. - You push them?
I ask them to try harder.
"You pulled it off when you recorded the other song. Try to do the same."
"You're not singing with the voice you usually make."
It's just because you're young.
It's hard to push the singers when you've aged.
- Do you have to be somewhere else? - No.
- Kyung once told us... - You see...
I can't push them.
It's because I get tired easily now.
In my case,
when I record a song,
I say, "Okay. Let's begin."
And then I just sit down.
The singer finished the first verse and asks him how you think.
"It was good. Nice."
- And then? - "Let's do it again."
- Exactly. - "It was good, but do it again."
That frustrates the singer. "It was good, but do it again."
- It's the same for acting. - Exactly.
"It was great. Shall we do it just one more time?"
- I ask them to sing the same way. - Do you?
Why should they do it again if they have to do the same?
While Sang was producing a song,
he's made her cry. You made Kang Susie cry?
That's bad.
- When you were most prickly... - Gook Jin, I...
It's not that I made her cry.
I did what Jong Shin talked about.
- "Do it again." - I see.
- "Do it again." - "Again."
- "Violet Fragrance"? - No. The next album.
- "Scent in Time"? - Yes. I produced her second album.
Her first album was successful, so I wanted to make it more successful.
When Susie was a newcomer,
she took criticisms no matter what others say.
But at the time, she hated to hear criticisms.
Especially when singers become confident in their singing methods.
I know this because I worked as a singer and a producer.
It's the same for you, Jong Shin. When you sing inside the booth,
there are times when you think you sang really well.
At times like that, you could wonder why you have to sing again.
But the producer could disagree with you and has to tell you that.
When you repeat this five times, anyone would cry.
That's why she cried.
I was never harsh on her. It wasn't like that.
However, you say harsh things too from time to time.
In fact, I said harsh things to Kim Hyeong Jung.
- I see. - What did you say to him?
I think I was so mean back then.
I said it was his song,
and it will be his for the rest of his life.
- But I was greedy as a producer. - I see.
I said something harsh and ended up making him cry.
What exactly did you say?
- The harshest thing you said. - I said,
- "Quit if you'll keep this up." - "Get out"?
- It was similar to "Get out." - "Get out."
"Just quit."
I clearly remembered that I had seen this image...
of a little boy when I first hear him sing,
but that day, I couldn't see that boy.
I thought maybe I had been mistaken.
About 12 hours later,
we managed to find that voice after a lot of things happened.
Although that song wasn't a big hit, but Hee Yeol liked the song so much,
and that's how Hyeong Jung became who he is now.
So that's what you tell yourself to comfort yourself.
That's right. It's not like I ruined his career.
There are opposite situations. I produced Kim Bum Soo's song.
I said he sang well, but he said it was a bit weird.
- "I said, it was good." - Some singers do that.
- You had to meet someone, right? - No.
It was really good, but he kept saying it was weird.
"It's really good!"
- Zion.T does the same. - I see.
- They're the same as actors. - I didn't understand him.
He did really well, but he asked...
- to let him do it again. - "Let me do it again."
- I didn't think he'd do any better. - Well...
Do people like them...
just want to make people think that they're a perfectionist?
- That's not the reason. - Is that the case?
- They want to go home early. - Of course.
However, among singers these days,
there are some singers who sing well but not with their hearts.
- That's right. - They read the lyrics,
- but don't try to understand it. - That's right.
I asked them if they understood it, but they didn't know what it meant.
Are you talking about Parc Jae Jung?
No.
I think you are. I caught you, right?
- I got you, right? Look at him. - No.
- Jae Jung is a good singer. - Look at him.
He got caught.
(It's peaceful on Radio Star as always.)
Hyun Ah, you said you liked cool-headed judges...
- like Jong Shin and Zico. - Yes.
But you couldn't say what you had to say.
Jong Shin and Zico make themselves clear...
when they evaluate other singers.
However, even when I have organized my thoughts...
inside my head,
I always become worried it might hurt the person's feelings.
- Oh, is that the reason? - She feels bad about it.
All the contestants on "Superstar K"...
whom Jong Shin eliminated became successful.
They all became successful.
- I know a few too. - That's true.
I didn't know Bolbbalgan4 was one of them.
- Really? - I remember them.
- I remember them. - He eliminated talented singers.
However, Bolbbalgan4 wasn't very impressive to me back then.
Jung Seung Hwan was different from how he is now.
- You should've seen his potential. - Actually...
(It didn't sound charming!)
Unfortunately, there's no winner.
(It's as if he eliminated only the singers with potential.)
I remember Seung Hee of Oh My Girl.
Seung Hee of Oh My Girl too?
Seung Hee did well,
but we had to choose between her and Kang Seung Yoon.
They were neck and neck, but I insisted.
So Seung Hee got eliminated. I remember her.
- She sings really well. - Jong Shin...
wants only famous celebrities...
to join his agency.
- Does he only think about now? - That's right.
I only care about the present.
Zico keeps an eye on star quality when evaluating contestants.
I think it's important to have good techniques,
but I think it's a basic qualification.
Whether it's an audition program or a contest,
in the end, it's the viewers who watch it.
And they're the consumers.
So I think they need something...
to draw the viewers' attention.
- Star quality? - Yes.
In other words, they need charms.
- Exactly. - They should sing charmingly.
It's different from singing with good techniques.
They need more than good techniques.
- When they're seen on TV, - Right.
they should show their unique charms...
that would make the viewers curious about them.
So Jong Shin didn't see the charms of Seung Hwan...
- He didn't see their charms. - and Seung Hee.
I found their charms recently. "They're charming."
- I'm relieve you realized it. - Me too.
I'm not sure I should say this,
and I'm not defending Jong Shim...
- Jong Shim? - I like the name Yoon Jong Shim.
- Jong Shim. - I'm not defending him.
But having a unique singing method like Bolbbalgan4...
- isn't an advantage in an audition. - He's right.
(I see.)
You don't produce song albums anymore, right?
No. I went through a bad experience when I was quite young.
Did you produce a singer?
- It was a group named Halo. - Halo?
- I've never heard of them. - Me neither.
- We were too indifferent. - I heard...
That's a lame pun.
- it was the biggest album flop. - That's annoying.
You should've said this.
"Halo's album flopped."
- That's nonsense. - It's better.
What kind of music did they do?
Their music was similar to the songs of idol groups these days.
Interestingly,
they released the song, "Sleeping Prince",
- but... - You mean "Sleeping Beauty"?
We changed the word...
- "beauty" to "prince". - I see.
But the prince kept sleeping. He didn't wake up.
He didn't wake up.
The person who woke him up...
(Laughing)
In 2011, IU remade that song.
Her song became a big hit, right?
The success of her version...
felt like compensation for the failure.
You were ahead of your time.
Thank you for saying that.
(He's pleased.)
I heard...
that everyone Zico had his eye on became a top star.
Who are those stars?
It's not that I discovered them.
- Song Min Ho, - Song Min Ho.
- Dean, and Crush. - I see.
Before they became as successful as they are now,
- I thought they were really good. - You can tell.
Since everyone you had an eye on became successful,
let's say an unknown singer...
- asks you for help. - I see.
- Would you help him? - Usually...
He might poke your eye.
What's wrong with you?
Don't think of me like Halo.
Usually, when I see singers with great potential like them,
- I reach out to them first. - Right.
I ask, "How did you make a song like this?"
- "Let's work together." - Yes. I want to learn from them.
When I was the judge,
the singers I had an eye on...
didn't get the most votes from the viewers.
They were ranked 2nd or 3rd.
I think I prefer the style that the minority like.
2nd and 3rd are better than 1st.
- It happens. - They last longer.
- I like unique styles. - Why?
Why do you think the 2nd place is better than the 1st place?
(Laughing awkwardly)
That's an unexpected question.
- Why is it unexpected? - In fact...
- Isn't it a predictable question? - In fact...
The first place...
can be a heavy burden.
The person who has to go down...
and the person who can go up must feel different.
Those who are ranked lower...
- can move up to the first place. - Exactly.
That's why I think it's better to be ranked 2nd or 3rd.
- What is your ranking? - Pardon?
- He's ranked first. - His songs always top the charts.
- He's on top. - Zico, when you release a song,
you check the music charts from the top, right?
(Flustered)
I always start from the 100th place.
- It's really fun. - It's because...
I start from the bottom.
- 100th, 99th, 98th... - Don't you feel good...
when you don't see your name in the lower rankings?
"It's not here."
But I might not see my name in any rankings.
Then you can go over again.
- "Did I miss it?" - "Is there something wrong?"
(My name should be on the list.)
You know you can check the ranking lower than the 100th place, right?
No.
When you click your song,
- you can check more information. - It comes up on the screen.
- It shows the ranking. - I see.
- You really are an expert. - Of course.
Just as expected.
It's important.
- I see if it's going up or down. - Right.
If the ranking goes up gradually,
there's a possibility.
When I release a new song,
and it's ranked top, it worries me more.
It's because...
- Of course. - all that's left is going down.
- When I see the music chart... - I don't think that's a worry.
- It can't be a worry, right? - Right.
Are you sick of being on top?
(Jealous)
Yoon Sang has been...
judging various contests.
It feels like being a judge is your job.
When I was a judge of "Superstar K"...
or "Star Audition: The Great Birth",
large companies with more than 100,000 employees...
- invited me... - I got many offers too.
as a judge at a singing contest.
- Large companies? - Yes.
- Large companies? - Like "S" company.
For example, they named the contest "Superstar S".
- Right. - Instead of "Superstar K".
I had a good experience when I judged a contest.
Since they're all amateurs,
I went easy on them.
Some of the contestants were really talented.
They sang better than professional singers.
- However, - That's right.
the problem was...
even though they had a really good job,
they wanted to quit their jobs.
- I see. - They planned to quit...
- if they get a compliment. - "I'll quit if I do this well."
They set up their own standards.
There were some people who seemed determined to do so.
It must've been hard to evaluate their performances.
There was someone who actually quit after the contest.
- Has anyone... - You encouraged that person.
- from the company... - Yes.
asked you to criticize a contestant harshly?
- No. That never happened. - I see.
- No one would do that. - It can happen.
You couldn't have said something like this.
"I think you chose the wrong job for you."
- I said that. - Did you?
Yes, I said something like that,
and the contestant left the company to change his career path.
Did he go to see you later...
and say he quit his job because of you?
- No, he didn't. - That's a relief.
However, if the company loses a few employees,
- it's not good for the company. - Of course.
So they stopped holding a singing contest.
(So "Superstar S" disappeared into a history.)
Tae Won...
keeps a journal every day.
What do you write about?
I write 4 or 6 letters.
- Every day? - Yes.
- That's unusual. - I see.
- Yes. - What will you write today?
- Today? - Yes.
(It will be short, but impressive.)
"Radio Star." That's what I'm going to write.
Isn't that a schedule book?
(Laughing)
Gosh.
- It should be longer. - What was that?
All of us will write the same thing in our journals today.
- We'll all write "Radio Star." - Exactly.
(July 18, 2018, Radio Star.)
What's that?
He thought the same thing. It's his journal.
- Coming on the show... - I see. Okay.
means a lot to me.
Zico, you're often misunderstood because of your charismatic face.
- Yes. - He looks a lot better now.
- He looks better now. - He looked rebellious.
In Block B's music video, he looked tough.
That's right. Back then,
I didn't have my own thoughts on styling.
When my makeup artist put heavy makeup on me, I didn't say anything.
- You also have slanted eyes. - Yes.
I have slanted eyes.
I tried not to look scary as much as possible.
I relaxed my eyes and everything.
How do you relax your eyes?
Well, I...
As my eyes slant upwards slightly,
when I look up and show more of the white of the eyes,
I look a little less scary.
- Yes. - You look even scarier.
- It sounds like a horror movie. - That's scarier.
- His eyes would look scarier. - I'll show you.
Okay. Now, you look up?
- Keep your mouth open. - Open the mouth?
And look up like this.
(Innocent)
- I see. - He looks innocent.
Yes. This pose helps me look a little sweet.
But the person who is talking to you...
- could complain about that. - Then I'd look at him like this.
- "Pardon? Yes." - It's a pose for a photoshoot.
(Innocent looking Zico)
Zico, you're good at acting cute...
according to your group members.
Did they really tell you that?
Our staff members can never give up on this.
- Acting cute? - I told them to give up on it.
What does "Kkyujjuppujju" mean?
(What does "Kkyujjuppujju" mean?)
I've heard a different version before.
(Teasing)
- Who did it? - "Kkyjjuppoujju".
- Yang Se Hyung. - Oh, right. Se Hyung did it.
(Zico does something like this?)
It was a long time ago.
- "Kkyujjuppujju"? - I was 20.
- I just made my debut. - Pleas show us.
It was only seven years ago.
"Kkyujjuppujju".
- Do you have to look up too? - Well...
What does that mean?
- "Kkyujjuppujju". - How did you say it?
I just...
- "Kkyujjuppujju". - I see.
- I'm sorry. - You have to cover your face?
He was just embarrassed.
- Hang on. - Hyun Ah, people don't...
ask you to show cute acts, right?
I often act cute.
- Really? How? - Yes.
- During a conversation... - Not like "Kkyujjuppujju"?
No, it's not something like that.
- I give people nicknames. - How?
Lulu, Lala, and Ttotto.
- What's that? - I give others nicknames.
- Do you improvise it? - Today,
we invited Composer Ttotto.
Hello. I'm Ttotto.
- Do you improvise it? Lulu? - That's ridiculous.
Please welcome the dean of Yongin University, Ttotto.
- And... - That's funny.
- the guitarist of Boohwal, Lulu. - He's Lala.
- Isn't he Lala? - Yes, he's Lala.
- It's fun because it's unusual. - Right.
- That's the whole point. - You like your nickname, right?
No one has ever called me so friendly.
I realized that I could be Toto.
- It's Ttotto. - Oh, right.
(No one has ever treated me like you do.)
You are watching a high-end music program, Radio Star.
Today, we're here with four strict judges from audition programs.
Therefore, today's theme...
is "The Song To Be Evaluated By the Viewers of Radio Star".
Those who judged contests will sing here today.
Shall we hear the song that Hyun Ah chose?
(What song did Hyun Ah choose?)
"Her" by Block B.
She won't stop trying to convince him.
("Her" has exciting rhythm and an addictive hook.)
I sang "I Don't Love You" last time I was here.
But it was edited out.
It's an exciting song, and the original singer is here too.
- So I thought... - To avoid being edited out?
- it wouldn't be edited out. - All right.
- Let's hear her sing "Her". - "Her".
("Her" sung by Jo Hyun Ah)
(Focusing on her performance)
(Tonight, I won't let them edit out my performance.)
(Hooting)
(She's excited.)
(Listen up)
(My name was on the internet hit list, but it wasn't really my name.)
(Whenever "Jo Hyun Ah" is on the internet hit list,)
(I feel dizzy)
(I will be ranked on top on the list with my song.)
(Zico, you're watching this, right?)
(Will you accept my offer?)
(Of course.)
(She's perfect in every way.)
(She's Hyun Ah.)
(Hyun Ah)
(Judge)
(You will continue the journey with us.)
(Her performance was extraordinary.)
That was amazing.
"Her" is a group's song.
Even though I made this song,
it's so hard for me to sing the song alone.
- But she sang it so easily. - Exactly.
- I was surprised. - Among young singers these days,
she has the most perfect singing techniques.
- Thank you. - Sang, what do you think?
We've been using the speaking tone...
- for over two hours. - That's right.
But she went up on stage...
- and sang without a warm-up. - She was born to be a singer.
- She was ready for it. - She's a great singer.
I was so surprised.
- Thank you. - She's really amazing.
Tae Won, did you enjoy her performance?
Yes.
(Tae Won's soul left his body.)
- Let's move on. - Shall we hear...
- What else should he have said? - That's right.
- What else? - Shall we hear the song Zico chose?
The song Zico chose is...
(What song did Zico choose?)
- Hangzoo? - "Red Sun" by Hangzoo.
The song features Zico and Swings.
Why did you choose this song?
This is the song I made when I joined the most recent contest...
- as a judge and a producer. - "Show Me the Money 6".
And there's my version of this song.
I'm planning to perform my version...
- at my concert. - I see.
So I wanted to perform the song on Radio Star...
- I see. - before my concert.
Zico will perform "Hangzoo"...
I mean "Red Sun".
- "Zico will perform Hangzoo." - What was that?
- I made a mistake. - Gosh.
("Red Sun" performed by Zico)
(Zico just closes his eyes.)
(Everyone gets immersed in the song in an instant.)
(You lose your mind like you're possessed)
(The moment you are born)
(You'll fall asleep when I count to three)
(He shows his irresistible charm.)
(With his hand gesture,)
(he brings a boat quietly.)
(Beautiful waves, come in.)
(Today, his boat is cruising along in the Radio Star ocean.)
(My efficiency never falls like in a gravity-free state)
(Underline my name and keep me in check)
(There has been no one like Woo Ji Ho)
(All the judges gave him a pass. Now, turn up!)
(Do not jump to a conclusion, my sensitivity)
(Is not something you can sell or buy)
(I'm the most popular celebrity whose name ends with "co".)
(I am Zico. I am the best.)
(Zico was amazing as always.)
He's so cool.
I'm sure it was his first time on that stage,
but he rapped so fast without making any mistakes.
It was even greater as I listened to him perform live.
When I was listening to his song,
- I said, "He knows how to do it." - He's different...
- He's outstanding. - He is, indeed.
- He's a master. - Right. Master Zico.
Professional Zico.
Today's theme was "You Are Students,"
"and We Are Teachers".
So what are your scores?
You all got a passing mark.
Until Radio Star gets...
a passing mark from each and every viewer,
we'll do everything we can to make you laugh.
We will say goodbye here. See you next week.
- Please. - Please.
(See you again next week!)